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  The Governing Body->>> A Bunch Of Idiots On A Mission From God

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4yrcfz0kfc.

  the lord works in mysterious ways, take for instance the governing body who are on a mission from that invisible charioteer jehover.

  jehover never speaks to them directly but has given them subtle hints as to his intentions in their bible translation.

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  Well, ok. But random images of starving children are so horribly depressing and sad.
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  HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ONE & ALL MY FELLOW APOSTATE FREINDS

  by smiddy in

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  2. friends

  and may 2014 be the beginning of the end for the wtb&ts ./ jehovahs witnesses.. smiddy.

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  You too dude. I even wish all my old JW buddies and friends a ripsnorting New Year. I hope they all have a wild night and get trashed, haha.
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  I feel my faith is weakening

  by Brother Mike in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  when you were in the truth did you find websites like this and read what the other side has to say?

  i am in that stage and i feel as if i'm seeking out the ttatt.

  i feel the wt society is hiding way too much.

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  Here's the plan dude. Get some good worldly friends going first (and preferably a nice worldly girlfriend, get laid!). You'll need that to fill the void after you leave. Live a double life for as long as you can, and then do what 2+2=5 says above, and never look back. The younger and sooner you get out of the cult the better. Focus on your education and your friends, and go out and enjoy a young person's experience.

  Go West young man!
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  A JW can actually debate without repercusion from the Society?

  by donny in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i ran across a debate on you tube between a jw and a "christian" believer.

  did the society recently relax their stand against doing public debates?

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkjbsxm6_ue.

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  Don't know. If he was it's probably mentioned on his website.
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  A JW can actually debate without repercusion from the Society?

  by donny in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i ran across a debate on you tube between a jw and a "christian" believer.

  did the society recently relax their stand against doing public debates?

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkjbsxm6_ue.

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  It's Greg Stafford, a former JW, scholar and staunch apologist of certain JW' beliefs, particularly against trinitarianism. He left the JW's (and was probably not one when he was in this trinity debate), then returned to them for a while, and finally left them for good (and encourages others to leave them), although he still staunchly upholds many of their core beliefs. He is a formidable anti-trinitarian. The Society was always a bit too scared to disfellowship him before he eventually left again of his own accord.

  Stafford has his own website and publications/articles http://www.elihubooks.com/

  Definitely well worth reading his books. I have them.
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  The truth about Hispanic JWs in the United States

  by Hecce in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

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  i will like to share some facts about the spanish congregations in usa.

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  It's very interesting getting these insights on trends in the organisation.

  I remember reading a thread on how the hispanics are extremely family and community oriented and that they are (very wisely) increasingly having a gutsful of the disfellowshipping and shunning policies ripping their families and hispanic community apart, and this has been the reason for such a big drop in hispanic numbers lately. Blood very much runs thicker than water in the Hispanic community (somewhat of a generalisation I know). Many families and extended families together are basically giving the finger to the organisation and leaving together.

  Good for them!

  
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  Just watched a documentary that made me yearn for the JWs again

  by marmot in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  well, almost.

  i just watched the documentary "dirty wars" on netflix and it left me so emotionally overwhelmed that i watched it a second time back-to-back.

  it's unreal how cynical this left me feeling about obama and the us government's global war on terror, it's so bleak that i almost wished for the simple life of being a jw with the naive promise of big daddy jehovah coming to sweep away all the wickedness at armageddon.. watch this movie!.

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  God is not going to one day intervene to save humanity, and even if he did, why would you need to be in a daft little religion like JW's to benefit from it? JW's teach that Jehovah is the ultimate war pig who is going to roll out death and destruction on a planetary scale.

  How about this:

  We are all made in God's image (Gen 1:26), with certain good qualities. We have a conscience, and we all ultimately want peace and non-suffering for this planet. As long as most human beings live in accord with that image, humanity will be fine in the end. That is mankinds archetypal destiny.

  Mankind is slowly maturing, learning its hard moral lessons, growing up. Like a parent that wants independence for their children eventually, God has left us to grow up and learn the hard way. We grabbed that independence prematurely, while still infants, but God let us go. But self-rule is what God actually wants for mankind ultimately. If we are in God's image, of course we can rule ourselves. No father wants to rule over his children forever. Secular authorities stand are in place to act as God's 'ministers' to punish evil. Secular authorities come and go and some will always be worse than others, but in the long run it will improve.

  And that's all we have. God will never intervene.
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  if we don't all unite, we may win a few battles but Watchtower will win the WAR.

  by excaliber in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  to thank you for taking the time to read this, because i feel that it is extremely important.

  over the years we have been waring against the watchtower, and our battle field has been the internet.and we have been very successful in establishing discussion forums and online resorces exposing false teachings and we have used youtube to further shed light on the watchtower, we have even written books to this end.. .

  yes we have attacked watchtower at its weakest point, the internet and we have been able to do this as small groups and even individualy.

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  Ekruks, most on here are of the view that JW's are the victims of the Watchtower's authoritarian leadership. It's not the membership we are bashing but the high control and abusive policies. A huge amount of real harm and suffering has been produced by these teachings and is still being produced, primarily the blood policy, handling of paedophiles policy, and shunning policy. These are heinous policies that deserve to be attacked.
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  The 1914 generation is still going strong 100 years later - 2014 study article.

  by THE GLADIATOR in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  january 2014 watchtower study article.

  let your kingdom comebut when?.

  this generation will not pass away.

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  Consider what happens if we remove that reward: What if those that refused to worship the Roman gods are treated no different than those that did? What if those that died in the arena are simply resurrected to life on earth just the same as those who escaped punishment by burning incense to the Emperor's diety? What reason would there be for dying in the arena at all? --None whatsoever. Remove the heavenly reward and you remove the reason to be faithful.

  The situation is virtually the same in a modern setting. Why convert to the JW faith? Why go to all the meetings, go out knocking on doors, refuse to celebrate holidays, etc.? JW's do this because they, like the early Christians, believe that their salvation is at stake. For non-anointed JW's that salvation is described at Revelation 7:9-10.

  What happens if we remove that reward? What happens if JW's simply grow old and die and are eventually resurrected to life in paradise just like everyone else who never bothered with the JW faith at all? What reason would anyone have for being a JW? --None whatsoever.

  Take for example, a fictional JW family. The grandparents were baptized as adults in the late 1930's and never considered themselves to be anointed. They were the only members of their respective families to become JW's. They've been dead for 20 years now. How is their fate any different than all their "Unbelieving" brothers and sisters and cousins that never bothered with the JW faith? In JW theology, there is no difference. They're all going to be resurrected.

  Any way you look at it, an "Earthly hope" is not a doctrine that can be taught longer than about a generation or so. It's only the proximity of the end and the prospect of not having to die that makes it viable. Remove that reward and you remove any reason to be faithful.

  JW's view the 'earthly reward' as the default position lost in paradise by Adam and Eve. The heavenly hope is an abberation to create an administration (govt) to restore that default position, per Milton's poem "Paradise lost, paradise regained."

  But before this default position is restored, the Biblical God is going committ genocide on an unimaginably horrific scale. He is going to exterminate the great majority of humankind, billions of them at Armageddon. They will deserve it, Christiniaty teaches, because we are all born with Adamic sin and the wages of sin is death. There will be no pity or mercy, they all had their chance when JW's came offering Awake and Watchtower magazine's on Saturday mornings, if you were lucky enough to be in a country where they did that. Those unfortunate billions unfortunate enough to live in China, Indian, or Muslim countries will be slaughtered on account of their 'community responsibility' for having leaders who never let the JW's get a foothold in their country.

  Jehovah by his own standard of justice is forced to do it, he has no choice. He is compelled to commit this global slaughter by some unfathomable higher moral standard that is utterly incomprehensible and too horrific to contemplate for all human beings, except perhaps to persons such as Genghis Khan, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Il Jong, etc.

  And so it all boils down to the 'reward' for JW's remaining faithful to the organisation being escaping this terrible global slaughter by their version of God. He's an angry, vengeful God, who has been saving up his pent-up rage and hatred of mankind all this time, just waiting for the time to finally wipe them all out. A God of love would never torment people forever in hell, he will only just send hordes of angels and Jesus to kill billions of them, including bad little girls and their dollys and naughty pet dogs, like rats infesting a house. Much more reasonable.

  Thus Satan will be proven to be a manslayer and Jesus praised as the saviour of the world.

  It's such wonderful good news JW's preach, wouldn't you agree? You must be blind not to see it.

  

  
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  Keeping you ignorant is the Watchtower Society's POWER over you!

  by yadda yadda 2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  quite simply, most jw's are scared as heck of ever reading information critical of the watchtower society.

  deep down they genuinly fear their 'faith' wouldn't stand it.. ignorance and resisting contrary information is the final defense for jw's.

  it is the fall-back position they mentally run to at the slightest bit of criticism.

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  I agree LG. It's fear of man, fear of losing out on eternal life, fear of not being resurrected or seeing your resurrected loved ones. Ignorance and fear are what maintains the loyalty and closed-mindedness. Negative things.

  Your die-hard father may have at that point responded that the JW's teach a certain framework of body of doctrine that sets them apart from the rest, but then you can retort that they teach almost similar core doctrine as the Christadelphians, remaining Bible Students, Worldwide Church of God, Seventh Day Adventists, etc.

  So the debate descends into ever decreasing circles of absurdity and insensibility. Even C T Russell could see it was wrong to rigidly insist that the Watchtower Society's way was the only way:

  Watchtower April 1, 1920, pp100, 101

  We would not refuse to treat one as a brother because he did not believe the Society is the Lord's channel. If others see it in a different way, that is their privilege. There should be full liberty of conscience.